diff --git a/apps/routerconsole/java/src/net/i2p/router/web/LogsHelper.java b/apps/routerconsole/java/src/net/i2p/router/web/LogsHelper.java
index a4896cdb8..9aee053f5 100644
--- a/apps/routerconsole/java/src/net/i2p/router/web/LogsHelper.java
+++ b/apps/routerconsole/java/src/net/i2p/router/web/LogsHelper.java
@@ -17,16 +17,23 @@ public class LogsHelper extends HelperBase {
     }
     
     public String getServiceLogs() {
-        // look in new and old place
-        File f = new File(_context.getLogDir(), "wrapper.log");
-        if (!f.exists())
-            f = new File(_context.getBaseDir(), "wrapper.log");
+        // RouterLaunch puts the location here if no wrapper
+        String path = System.getProperty("wrapper.logfile");
+        File f;
+        if (path != null) {
+            f = new File(path);
+        } else {
+            // look in new and old places
+            f = new File(System.getProperty("java.io.tmpdir"), "wrapper.log");
+            if (!f.exists())
+                f = new File(_context.getBaseDir(), "wrapper.log");
+        }
         String str = FileUtil.readTextFile(f.getAbsolutePath(), 250, false);
         if (str == null) 
             return "";
         else {
             str = str.replaceAll("<", "&lt;").replaceAll(">", "&gt;");
-            return "<pre>" + str + "</pre>";
+            return "Location: " + f.getAbsolutePath() + "<pre>" + str + "</pre>";
         }
     }
     
diff --git a/core/java/src/net/i2p/util/WorkingDir.java b/core/java/src/net/i2p/util/WorkingDir.java
index 4e47f6458..0ba73f391 100644
--- a/core/java/src/net/i2p/util/WorkingDir.java
+++ b/core/java/src/net/i2p/util/WorkingDir.java
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ public class WorkingDir {
      * Only call this once on router invocation.
      * Caller should store the return value for future reference.
      */
-    public static String getWorkingDir(boolean migrateOldData) {
+    public static String getWorkingDir(boolean migrateOldConfig) {
         String dir = System.getProperty(PROP_WORKING_DIR);
         boolean isWindows = System.getProperty("os.name").startsWith("Win");
         File dirf = null;
@@ -73,6 +73,18 @@ public class WorkingDir {
         String cwd = System.getProperty(PROP_BASE_DIR);
         if (cwd == null)
             cwd = System.getProperty("user.dir");
+
+        // Check for a hosts.txt file, if it exists then I2P is there
+        File oldDirf = new File(cwd);
+        File test = new File(oldDirf, "hosts.txt");
+        if (!test.exists()) {
+            System.err.println("ERROR - Cannot find I2P installation in " + cwd +
+                  " - Will probably be just a router with no apps or console at all!");
+            // until we move reseeding from the console to the router, we
+            // won't be able to reseed, so we are probably doomed
+            return cwd;
+        }
+
         // where we want to go
         String rv = dirf.getAbsolutePath();
         if (dirf.exists()) {
@@ -86,19 +98,19 @@ public class WorkingDir {
             return cwd;
         }
 
-        // Check for a hosts.txt file, if it exists then I2P is there
-        File oldDirf = new File(cwd);
-        File test = new File(oldDirf, "hosts.txt");
-        if (!test.exists()) {
-            System.err.println("ERROR - Cannot find I2P installation in " + cwd);
-            return cwd;
-        }
-
-        // Check for a router.keys file, if it exists it's an old install,
+        // Check for a router.keys file or logs dir, if either exists it's an old install,
         // and only migrate the data files if told to do so
+        // (router.keys could be deleted later by a killkeys())
         test = new File(oldDirf, "router.keys");
         boolean oldInstall = test.exists();
-        migrateOldData &= oldInstall;
+        if (!oldInstall) {
+            test = new File(oldDirf, "logs");
+            oldInstall = test.exists();
+        }
+        // keep everything where it is, in one place...
+        if (oldInstall && !migrateOldConfig)
+            return cwd;
+        boolean migrateOldData = false; // this is a terrible idea
 
         // Do the copying
         if (migrateOldData)
diff --git a/installer/install.xml b/installer/install.xml
index a4894b4e4..1abfda98d 100644
--- a/installer/install.xml
+++ b/installer/install.xml
@@ -109,6 +109,7 @@
             <parsable targetfile="$INSTALL_PATH/wrapper.config" type="javaprop" />
             <parsable targetfile="$INSTALL_PATH/i2prouter" type="shell" os="unix|mac" />
             <parsable targetfile="$INSTALL_PATH/eepget" type="shell" os="unix|mac" />
+            <parsable targetfile="$INSTALL_PATH/runplain.sh" type="shell" os="unix|mac" />
             
             <!-- postinstall stuff for windows -->
             <executable targetfile="$INSTALL_PATH/installer/copy.jar" type="jar" stage="postinstall" keep="true" failure="warn"> <os family="windows" />
diff --git a/installer/resources/i2prouter b/installer/resources/i2prouter
index b5c292f19..c8bab7911 100644
--- a/installer/resources/i2prouter
+++ b/installer/resources/i2prouter
@@ -8,28 +8,31 @@
 # if you have changed the default location set in the
 # wrapper configuration file.
 #
-# Note that (percent)INSTALL_PATH and (percent)SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir
-# should have been replaced by
-# the izpack installer. If you did not run the installer,
-# replace them with the appropriate path.
 
 #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 # These settings can be modified to fit the needs of your application
 
+# Paths
+# Note that (percent)INSTALL_PATH and (percent)SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir
+# should have been replaced by the izpack installer.
+# If you did not run the installer, replace them with the appropriate path.
+I2P="%INSTALL_PATH"
+I2PTEMP="%SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir"
+
 # Application
 APP_NAME="i2p"
 APP_LONG_NAME="I2P Service"
 
 # Wrapper
-WRAPPER_CMD="%INSTALL_PATH/i2psvc"
-WRAPPER_CONF="%INSTALL_PATH/wrapper.config"
+WRAPPER_CMD="$I2P/i2psvc"
+WRAPPER_CONF="$I2P/wrapper.config"
 
 # Priority at which to run the wrapper.  See "man nice" for valid priorities.
 #  nice is only used if a priority is specified.
 PRIORITY=
 
 # Location of the pid file.
-PIDDIR="%SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir"
+PIDDIR="$I2PTEMP"
 
 # If uncommented, causes the Wrapper to be shutdown using an anchor file.
 #  When launched with the 'start' command, it will also ignore all INT and
@@ -51,40 +54,6 @@ PIDDIR="%SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir"
 # Do not modify anything beyond this point
 #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
-# Get the fully qualified path to the script
-case $0 in
-    /*)
-        SCRIPT="$0"
-        ;;
-    *)
-        PWD=`pwd`
-        SCRIPT="$PWD/$0"
-        ;;
-esac
-
-# Change spaces to ":" so the tokens can be parsed.
-SCRIPT=`echo $SCRIPT | sed -e 's; ;:;g'`
-# Get the real path to this script, resolving any symbolic links
-TOKENS=`echo $SCRIPT | sed -e 's;/; ;g'`
-REALPATH=
-for C in $TOKENS; do
-    REALPATH="$REALPATH/$C"
-    while [ -h "$REALPATH" ] ; do
-        LS="`ls -ld "$REALPATH"`"
-        LINK="`expr "$LS" : '.*-> \(.*\)$'`"
-        if expr "$LINK" : '/.*' > /dev/null; then
-            REALPATH="$LINK"
-        else
-            REALPATH="`dirname "$REALPATH"`""/$LINK"
-        fi
-    done
-done
-# Change ":" chars back to spaces.
-REALPATH=`echo $REALPATH | sed -e 's;:; ;g'`
-
-# Change the current directory to the location of the script
-cd "`dirname "$REALPATH"`"
-
 # Process ID
 ANCHORFILE="$PIDDIR/$APP_NAME.anchor"
 PIDFILE="$PIDDIR/$APP_NAME.pid"
diff --git a/installer/resources/runplain.sh b/installer/resources/runplain.sh
index 25221f513..644bdadcf 100644
--- a/installer/resources/runplain.sh
+++ b/installer/resources/runplain.sh
@@ -5,9 +5,17 @@
 # probably not enough for i2p.
 # You should really use the i2prouter script instead.
 #
-export CP=. ; for j in lib/*  ; do export CP=$CP:$j ; done;
+
+# Paths
+# Note that (percent)INSTALL_PATH and (percent)SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir
+# should have been replaced by the izpack installer.
+# If you did not run the installer, replace them with the appropriate path.
+I2P="%INSTALL_PATH"
+I2PTEMP="%SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir"
+
+export CP="$I2P" ; for j in "$I2P/lib/*"  ; do export CP="$CP:$j" ; done;
 JAVA=java
 
-JAVAOPTS="-Djava.library.path=.:lib -DloggerFilenameOverride=logs/log-router-@.txt"
-nohup $JAVA -cp $CP $JAVAOPTS net.i2p.router.RouterLaunch > /dev/null 2>&1 &
-echo $! > router.pid
+JAVAOPTS="-Djava.library.path=$I2P:$I2P/lib -Di2p.dir.base=$I2P -DloggerFilenameOverride=logs/log-router-@.txt"
+nohup $JAVA -cp "$CP" $JAVAOPTS net.i2p.router.RouterLaunch > /dev/null 2>&1 &
+echo $! > "$I2PTEMP/router.pid"
diff --git a/installer/resources/wrapper.config b/installer/resources/wrapper.config
index b14bc8288..03efe22fb 100644
--- a/installer/resources/wrapper.config
+++ b/installer/resources/wrapper.config
@@ -51,11 +51,12 @@ wrapper.java.additional.1=-DloggerFilenameOverride=logs/log-router-@.txt
 wrapper.java.additional.2=-Dorg.mortbay.http.Version.paranoid=true
 wrapper.java.additional.3=-Dorg.mortbay.util.FileResource.checkAliases=false
 wrapper.java.additional.4=-Dorg.mortbay.xml.XmlParser.NotValidating=true
+wrapper.java.additional.5=-Di2p.dir.base=$INSTALL_PATH
 # Uncomment this for better performance.
 # If it doesn't work, server mode is not available in your JVM.
 # This may not be required if your machine is already "server-class".
 # See http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/vm/server-class.html
-#wrapper.java.additional.5=-server
+#wrapper.java.additional.6=-server
 
 # Initial Java Heap Size (in MB)
 #wrapper.java.initmemory=4
@@ -86,7 +87,13 @@ wrapper.console.format=PM
 wrapper.console.loglevel=INFO
 
 # Log file to use for wrapper output logging.
-wrapper.logfile=wrapper.log
+# You may wish to change this on linux so the log is
+# preserved across OS restarts.
+# If you do change it, add the following line above to
+# tell the router where to find the wrapper log
+# (change X to the next available number)
+# wrapper.java.additional.X=-Dwrapper.logfile=/path/to/wrapper.log
+wrapper.logfile=$SYSTEM_java_io_tmpdir/wrapper.log
 
 # Format of output for the log file.  (See docs for formats)
 wrapper.logfile.format=LPTM
diff --git a/router/java/src/net/i2p/router/RouterLaunch.java b/router/java/src/net/i2p/router/RouterLaunch.java
index 6aab4e8ac..13ee2f3cf 100644
--- a/router/java/src/net/i2p/router/RouterLaunch.java
+++ b/router/java/src/net/i2p/router/RouterLaunch.java
@@ -1,13 +1,39 @@
 package net.i2p.router;
 
+import java.io.File;
 import java.io.FileOutputStream;
 import java.io.IOException;
 import java.io.PrintStream;
 
+/**
+ *  This is the class called by the runplain.sh script on linux
+ *  and the i2p.exe launcher on Windows.
+ *  (i.e. no wrapper)
+ *
+ *  If there is no -Dwrapper.log=/path/to/wrapper.log on the java command line
+ *  to specify a log file, check for existence of wrapper.log in CWD,
+ *  for backward compatibility in old installations (don't move it).
+ *  Otherwise, use (system temp dir)/wrapper.log.
+ *  Create if it doesn't exist, and append to it if it does.
+ *  Put the location in the environment as an absolute path, so logs.jsp can find it.
+ */
 public class RouterLaunch {
+    private static final String PROP_WRAPPER_LOG = "wrapper.logfile";
+    private static final String DEFAULT_WRAPPER_LOG = "wrapper.log";
+
     public static void main(String args[]) {
+        String path = System.getProperty(PROP_WRAPPER_LOG);
+        File logfile;
+        if (path != null) {
+            logfile = new File(path);
+        } else {
+            logfile = new File(DEFAULT_WRAPPER_LOG);
+            if (!logfile.exists())
+                logfile = new File(System.getProperty("java.io.tmpdir"), DEFAULT_WRAPPER_LOG);
+        }
+        System.setProperty(PROP_WRAPPER_LOG, logfile.getAbsolutePath());
         try {
-            System.setOut(new PrintStream(new FileOutputStream("wrapper.log")));
+            System.setOut(new PrintStream(new FileOutputStream(logfile, true)));
         } catch (IOException ioe) {
             ioe.printStackTrace();
 	}